Continuing our mission to provide you with extra information about the topics we covered during each show, here are some "elements" we used and mentioned on air today:
1) Apple jobs in the U.S. vs. jobs created by President Obama's stimulus package
After President Obama's State of the Union address earlier this week Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels gave the Republican rebuttal in which he claimed Steve Jobs created more jobs than "all those stimulus dollars the President borrowed and blew". We checked the facts on this and found otherwise:
2) Percent of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. since 1940
3) New York Times article on Apple manufacturing in China:
www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
4) Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden on too-big-to-fail banks:
www.dylanratigan.com/2012/01/26/beau-biden-too-big-to-fail-banks-believe-many-of-us-on-the-enforcement-side-are-scared/
5) Total political donations from FIRE (finance, insurance, and real estate) sectors since 1990
7) Esther Armah's You Should Know website suggestion: mamiverse.com
8) Elise Jordan's You Should Know suggestion: her new Daily Beast article
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/28/americans-held-hostage-in-egypt-including-a-u-s-cabinet-member-s-son.html
-Brett Brownell (@brettbrownell) is video and web producer for Up w/ Chris Hayes which airs Saturday and Sunday mornings on MSNBC.
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#5: Hold on a minute. Are those multiple blue lines different sources of donations? The graph appears to show FIRE donations being the majority, but if those blue lines are different soucres (and what else could they be?) then their sum would appear to be greater than the FIRE contribution. That's pretty misleading... Even if the point is that the red line is increasing faster than the other blue lines, how can we tell without seeing the sum of the blue lines? We can't even really evaluate the graph without knowing what all those different blue lines mean; certainly a label that calls them "other" isn't enough unless they're all going to be added together.
Where is this morning's show? We just woke up on the west coast needing our morning coffee and Up with Chris Hayes... the best new MSNBC show by far! Let's see if Melissa give you a run for your money.
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The chart that shows the loss of manufacturing jobs since the end of WW2 should have two lines. The second should show how even though Jobs went down products made stayed the same or in fact went up. As manufacturing tech evolved from taking 10 guys working at 10 machines it went to 1 guy make the same part at one machine. Robotics cost jobs but we still made it in the US. So the second line should reflect that right up to the point where these jobs start to get outsourced then that line would follow the loss of jobs. I think a chart like this would help show the loss of manufacturing better than just showing the loss of jobs.
Second living here in the west, Los Angles, I always find it funny when people who live where there is great public transportation and don't use a car want those of us who can't get around without one to pay more for gas.
Love the show, but why is the studio so damn noisy? Can't the people off the set see your doing a show :-). Please ask your new director to ask them to keep it down, really, TV SHOW GOING ON HERE.
Dennis
LA, CA
I live in a city with great public transit, and I think gas taxes should go up. (Of course, I'm not in the US, so this is a bit hypothetical.) Yes, it would make the life of people who have to drive everywhere more difficult. That's what I want: that lifestyle can't be sustained and needs to change. I don't know whether it's better to put in more public transit, restructure cities more densely, or just pay more and pour that into repairing the environmental damage, but gas taxes help all three.
I'm not being a total jerk here; the way we big-city denizens live needs to change too, because it's unsustainable: we can't afford to import our food from all over the world just to have fresh strawberries year round. We can't get it from unsustainable factory farms no matter where they are. But I think gas taxes will provide the same push to change these things. And the interim effect, which is that life costs more, will hit us too.
Chart #2 is generally explained away by analysts as the result of gains in efficiency. It is true that robotics and process improvements have increased efficiency (fewer people to make the same or more products). This is evidenced by manufacturing hovering around 17 million jobs for decades while manufacturing's share of the job market declined. What the graph does not highlight is the impact on manufacturing after extending "permanent normal trading partner" status to China in 2000. A more shocking graph shows over 17 million manufacturing jobs in 2000 dropping to 11.5 million by 2010.
I'm afraid I have to take issue with your dismissal of Governor Daniels assertion that Steve Jobs created more jobs than the stimulus, though I agree with your ultimate conclusion, I think the argument you used to get there is a bit shallow.
It may be true that Apple only employs 43,000 people in the US, but there is a subtle difference between people employed directly by Steve Jobs and jobs created by Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs created entire new markets, and those new markets become niche ecologists for a host of other parties and allow them to be economically viable. Consider a company like Rovio, maker of Angry Birds, which would likely not exist nor employ the 55 people it does (okay, sure, its 55 people in Finland, but let's not pretend Finland is China) if Steve Jobs hadn't dreamed up the app-driven iPhone. Likewise, there are countless designers, graphic artists, retail clerks, systems administrators, etc. that are kept solvent to some degree by the production and sale of the whole host of accessories for Apple products, from skins to hard cases to icon sets and power adapters.
And in some sense we should also count the employees of Google who continue their work on developing the Android as jobs created by Steve Jobs, as success certainly breeds imitators, and Steve Jobs was a pioneer in the development of the market. I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Jobs is indirectly responsible for the creation of over 1.2 million jobs.
'Cranky seniors!?!' I hope you just misspoke. You must know that seniors are one of the most politically powerful group in American Politics. Well, of cousre you know that so this must be simply a stupid comment on your part.
Goodbye, Mr. Hayes.
re your Sun show. Disappointed that you seem more concerned about having a happy guest rather than looking beyond the obvious. The Catholic Church/Affordable Care Act controversy is, I believe, a follow the money discussion. Your jolly, Catholic rep made the discussion all"churchy". The issue is the Catholic Church makes money from hospitals even if they hold Non-profit status. The hospitals control jobs, thus Power, and huge financial money pits. The Catholic Church should NOT be allowed to have it both ways. They can either be a non-profit and make no political statements from the CCC or the pulpit or they can be an honest political organization and pay taxes. The CCC is also a non-profit which takes money from the parrishes on a regular basis. The IRS should be involved in this discussion because it is a is spineless in enforcing the law against the non-profits.